“This Is What Fascism Does”: THE MATRIX Co-Director Addresses The Film Being Co-Opted For Right-Wing Ideology

“This Is What Fascism Does”: THE MATRIX Co-Director Addresses The Film Being Co-Opted For Right-Wing Ideology

The Matrix co-director Lana Wachowski opened up about the 1999 science-fiction classic being used to represent right-wing ideologies.

By DanielKlissmman - Nov 30, 2025 03:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Sci-Fi
Source: So True with Caleb Hearon (via SFFGazette.com)

The Matrix revolutionized the science-fiction genre when it arrived in theaters in 1999. Directed by Lilly and Lana Wachowski, the movie delivered groundbreaking special effects and posed interesting questions about humanity and technology's impact on society. One of The Matrix's most famous concepts is the blue-and-red-pill debate. In the film, Morpheus told Neo he was "born into bondage," and subsequently offered him a choice between accepting either a blue pill or a red pill.

The blue pill would allow Neo to continue on in his fabricated world, while the red pill would awaken him to reality. The concept was co-opted by right-wing ideology, and has remained a significant part of its rhetoric for years. The movie's co-director, Lilly Wachowski, is aware of that, and has now given her thoughts on the situation. Appearing on the So True with Caleb Hearon podcast, the filmmaker discussed her writing process, explaning that it serves as a therapy of sorts: 

"I do know that when I write, nowadays, I try to write from a very conscious place. Like, I am specifically looking for my writing to be of service to me, right? And specifically, I will look for ways to heal holes in my heart. And you can do that unabashedly through fictitious characters. You can draw on stuff."

Wachowski explained that she aims for her work to double as a personal catharsis. However, she acknowledged that, even though she puts herself in her art, she has no control over how others read into it. She then used The Matrix being adopted by right-wing ideology as an example of that (starting at the 19:50 mark): 

"I want my work to have a level of catharsis for myself. And so, to do that, I need to put myself into my work. And if people want to read into it, you just gotta go, 'We'll, do whatever you want... You have to let go of your work, too. You gotta let go. People are gonna interpret it however they interpret it. I look at all of the crazy, mutant theories around The Matrix films, and the crazy ideologies that those films helped create, and I'm just like, 'What are you doing? No! That's wrong!' But I have to let it go to some extent, or else... You're never gonna be able to make absolutely every single person believe what you initially intended."

Hearon then asked Wachowski how she's dealt with right-wing individuals "co-opting" The Matrix for their rhetoric. After taking some time to think, Wachowski explained that she's stopped making art with the intention to cast as wide an audience net as possible: 

"I don't make stuff anymore with the idea that I want it to reach as many people as possible. I make to make. [...] That experience is the reason you're there. Not what comes after. And so, as an artist, I try to be as present as possible now. [...] I want to be present and relish every single day of the making that I have. Because the beauty of filmmaking is that you get to come together in this community, all these different artists, and bring this thing that is in your brain into this new form. And that new form is a collective art piece."

The filmmaker then stated: "Right-wing ideology appropriates absolutely everything. They appropriate left-wing points of view and they mutate them for their own propaganda, to obfuscate what the real message is. This is what fascism does. And so, of course that's going to happen. They do it with absolutely everything. [...] And that is what fascism does. It takes these things, these ideas that are generally acknowledged as questions, or investigations, or true-isms about humanity and life, and they turn them to something else, so that they remove the weight of what those things represent."

In 2020, Lana Wachowski, herself a trans woman, revealed The Matrix was meant as an allegory for trans people and their experience accepting their true selves:

"I'm glad that people are talking about The Matrix movies with a trans narrative. I love how meaningful those films are to trans people. [...] I'm glad that it has gotten out that that was the original intention, but the world wasn't quite ready... the corporate world wasn't ready for it." She further explained: "The Matrix stuff was all about the desire for transformation, but it was all coming from a closeted point of view."

The Matrix franchise is available to stream on HBO Max. 

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Daniel Klissmman is an entertainment journalist who's written for Movie Pilot, CBR.com, Cinemark and AMC Theatres. He loves superheroes with a passion and really wishes he'll one day get to hang out with Moon Knight.
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Reginator
Reginator - 11/30/2025, 3:47 PM
LOL, someone that doesn’t understand a man can not become a woman is not worth listening to. He needs mental health help.
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 3:49 PM
@Reginator - User Comment Image
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/30/2025, 3:57 PM
@Reginator -

Most of them aren't mentally ill. They are just a$$holes seeking attention or lemmings parroting left wing dogma.

Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 11/30/2025, 4:13 PM
@Reginator - Does he still have it, or did he cut off his pee pee? 🍆✂️😧
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:21 PM
@Reginator - go [frick] your self
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 3:48 PM
Woke troon.

Reboot the DCU, MCU AND Matrix!!
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:20 PM
@TheVisionary26 - [frick] you
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 4:24 PM
@Binker - Why do wokies always get so angry? LOL! Lighten up francis, the good guys won and common sense is making a comeback. I’m sure your upset that you can’t abort more babies and perform more genital mutilations on minors, but you ain’t exactly called “loony” leftists without reason LOL
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Cap1
Cap1 - 11/30/2025, 3:56 PM
It is very funny to think any of the Wachowski sisters output is remotely tied to right-wing ideology. That's like claiming Michael Moore as an advocate for their views. Beautifully dumb
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 11/30/2025, 4:00 PM
@Cap1 - *brothers
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:21 PM
@HistoryofMatt - siblings
Cap1
Cap1 - 11/30/2025, 4:23 PM
@HistoryofMatt - god I felt that felt great didn't it, HistoryofMatt? It feels even better to rid yourself of needless hate, and the idea that you have the faintest inkling of the law of things, what is natural and what isn't. Don't get too comfortable in your hate dude, the weight will crush you eventually. But enjoy the likes and the company of those on your infinite merrygoround of insecurities
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 11/30/2025, 4:26 PM
@Cap1 - User Comment Image
RichardGrayson
RichardGrayson - 11/30/2025, 3:56 PM
The comment section of this site is so much better than superherohype. Any dissent there against leftist ideologies is met with the ban hammer
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 4:04 PM
@RichardGrayson - Wokeism is a mind virus. If you want to see a true hive of degeneracy and wokism, resetera is even worse than superherohype… god bless this site for actually supporting free speech.

Reboot SuperheroHype and ResetEra!!
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 11/30/2025, 4:12 PM
@RichardGrayson - Sounds great! Superherohype.com?
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:22 PM
@RichardGrayson - a lot of people should be banned here just the same
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:23 PM
@TheVisionary26 - it’s not a [frick]ing virus you asshole!
Slushythrone455
Slushythrone455 - 11/30/2025, 4:02 PM
Republicans color is red. Democrats color is blue. It’s not that much of a stretch that people crossing over from Dem to Republican would use this ICONIC scene as a representation of their ideology changing. It’s just a political fad, get over yourself
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:25 PM
@Slushythrone455 - no different than MAGA using Trump like Jesus?
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 11/30/2025, 4:02 PM
Wait... so the man who thinks he's a woman is yet another tard who thinks the fascists are out to get him while championing an actual, in-practice, fascist Presidential Administration that coordinated with private businesses to undermine the rights of the citizenry between Jan-2021 and Jan-2025?

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Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:26 PM
@HistoryofMatt - Trump is pure evil, anyone who sides with him is just that
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 4:27 PM
@Binker - Stop speaking Kamala nonsense. Trump is literally saving the country you mutt
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 11/30/2025, 4:29 PM
@Binker - User Comment Image
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 4:30 PM
@HistoryofMatt - User Comment Image
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/30/2025, 4:03 PM

"Right-wing ideology appropriates absolutely everything."

Ridiculous. Both the left and right do this, of course. This brittle mentally ill radical liberal b!tch just makes out people she disagrees with to be evil bogeymen.

HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 11/30/2025, 4:07 PM
@DocSpock - *he
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 11/30/2025, 4:03 PM
Whenever I hear about the Wachowski Bros I think about this Shane Gillis clip

Kadara
Kadara - 11/30/2025, 4:04 PM
Meh our wallets will talk. Dud anyone else see new Zootopia by the way? Even Hollywood writers are tired of this shit.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 11/30/2025, 4:07 PM
So many of your articles are political. You realize that's the thing that has been tearing this site down and you will not stop.
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 4:15 PM
@DarthOmega - yep. The way these writers try their hardest to tear down common sense and stir division is getting too damn obvious now.

Reboot ComicBookMovie.Com
TK420
TK420 - 11/30/2025, 4:20 PM
Woke is in it's death throes. The troons are flailing around for relevance. Good riddance...
HAILHYDRA
HAILHYDRA - 11/30/2025, 4:22 PM
The idea of the creator of The Matrix complaining about something being stolen is pretty rich.
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:27 PM
All of you people need to be banned! She is telling the truth, and you assholes are siding with the enemy. All of you need to [frick] off. In fact, this site needs to go if it has people like you.
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 11/30/2025, 4:30 PM
@Binker - *He
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 11/30/2025, 4:31 PM
@Binker - Oh look, a Wokie demanding everyone who doesn't think like he does be banned and cancelled.

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WakandaTech
WakandaTech - 11/30/2025, 4:28 PM
Coming from a left-wing radical ideologist activist

🤡😂🤦🏻‍♂️
emeraldtaurus
emeraldtaurus - 11/30/2025, 4:29 PM
The Matrix Resurrection was shockingly bad !
MisterBones
MisterBones - 11/30/2025, 4:32 PM
This site is a cesspool of crudeness
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 11/30/2025, 4:34 PM
Well said by Lily imo…

You can only write or create art for yourself and hope others respond it aswell , some of which at the least are bound to have your own interpretation of it which could be far off from the original intent but that’s how they read it for better or worse.

However this all red pill/blue pill rhetoric that the right has co-opted is a load of bollocks that they are twisting as they do for their own gain but presenting themselves as some noble party that in actuality is screwing the common man to no end!!.

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