EDITORIAL: 10 hopes for The Avengers

EDITORIAL: 10 hopes for The Avengers

Sadly we still have a long wait before we can see this movie. But in thinking about it there are some elements I really hope make it into the film. With Joss Whedon at the helm I feel pretty confident that they will...

Editorial Opinion
By TheDarqueOne - Nov 10, 2010 02:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic



Since Joss is currently working on the Script to the Avengers it is a good time to lay out some hopes. I want to point out that this is not quite the usual wish list. Someone looking for a more specific presentation of the Comics themselves would suggest other things. One such list already exists on this Site and was well done. Mine is instead filled with broader ideas that seem core concepts for the Avengers.

I realize we do not know how the Movie is going to work. It might all take place over a few days or a few weeks or even months. I am going to mostly assume the first movie will not span more than 2-3 weeks and will deal with the assembling itself. If in fact the Movie covers more time then my references to sequels become suggestions for the first Movie like everything else.

Just for the sake of clarity I should mention that I believe Joss Whedon is perfect for this job. I will not list his resume but to my eyes he understands everything a Director/Writer needs to know to make this a proper Avengers Movie. The Avengers has been one of my favorites since I learned to read so they matter quite a bit to me. Knowing that they will be done well is... hard to describe really. Kinda comfy, a little surprised, but very, very pleased.

Only the Justice Society means more to me than the Avengers. I already have a very respectful and well done TV show with a number of them. To me that is a very good start on the original Team.

On to the list for...

The Avengers!




10. They become Public Heros.

We had a little of this in Spider-Man III & Iron Man II but I want more. The Avengers do not operate in the shadows they are a very public Team. In the Comics the world depends on the Avengers and I want to see the beginning of that relationship. Not just some press conference but direct contact and reactions from real people.

They may start covert but I hope by the end of the first movie that changes. The Avengers are just too big to hide in the shadows and it is not how they are supposed to be.


9. 1940s Ultimate Cap becomes 2010 616 Cap.

It took me a loooong time to get into the Ultimates for one simple reason: They are all a bunch of jerks. I know Millar needed to upend the goody-two-shoes personalties but jeeze. What I came to realize is that the Ultimates are so much more realistic than anything previously done that those personalities make perfect sense. They also mean (and man do a lot of people miss this one) that the Characters can evolve into better people as they spend more time as Heros. This is the beginning of the Avengers and it is in so many respects just stunning.

Today we like to overlook the problems of the past. But if you are honest you should acknowledge that the men of the 1940 were quite often Racist and other ugly things. To be plucked from the 1940s and dropped into today would be a challenge most would fail.

But Captain America is not most is he?

So what I want to see is Cap dealing with the changes in the world. I want to see him become the man from the 616 comics but just not too fast. A crucial moment in this journey would be the next item.


8. Thor recognizes Cap's greatness.

Thor calls Steve Rogers the greatest living mortal and other even more positive things. I want to see this opinion form over the course of the movie or perhaps movies. Thor has been a warrior for an unknown amount of time. It is natural that he will think little of ANY mortal without a lot of convincing. Standing up and fighting is not enough but if done right Captain America has so much more. At some point in the films I would like to see this happen for the first time.



7. Do Hawkeye right not comic relief.

This is a Movie so we have to watch out for this one. Hawkeye can be the smart-ass of the group sure. He can, and should, stand up to Captain America once along the line I agree. But it would be far too easy to turn him into Spider-Man with wise-cracks flying out of his mouth every other line.

Avengers should be a fairly serious movie. They are not stopping some guy covered in tin-foil who can toss some electricity around. Whatever the reason for them to assemble it has to be Epic. Jokes have their place but I hope that Hawkeye will come across more bad-ass than funny man.


6. Some Emotional Heroic Speeches.

This should come from Cap. When I was a kid there were those moments in Comics that choked me up. I want one of those speeches that only Captain America can give that combines 'We can do this' with 'We ARE going to demolish them'. Some people reading this are about to boo me because they are too damn cynical for their own good but I really don't much care.

Remember this...

...Perhaps it's fate that today, July the Fourth, we will once again fight for our freedom. Not from tyranny, persecution or oppression. But from annihilation. We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.

And should we win the day the the fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday. But as the day that the world declared in one voice we will not go quietly into the night. We will not vanish without a fight. We gonna live on. We are going to survive. Today we celebrate our Independence Day...

So please Joss. I know you have it in you. These are large than life Characters. They are modern day Gods let them have at least one moment where that shines through.



5. Hulk as part of the team.

Even though the Hulk as their first problem suits me just fine I have to admit I want to see him as part of the Team first. There is a brilliant set of scenes from the Ultimates when Cap manipulates Hulk into killing, and eating, a shape-shifting foe. Cap could never beat the guy so he used the Hulk to do it. Brilliant and logical as all hell. Cap then sends the Hulk after the hovering spacecraft by telling Hulk they called him gay. It is rude but it is also quite good.

Captain America from a Helicopter to Hulk on the ground...
"YOU SEE THESE SPACECRAFT IN THE SKY? THE BIG TRIANGULAR MACHINES?"
"WELL, I WAS TALKING TO THE PILOTS EARLIER AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TOLD ME? YOU KNOW
WHAT THEY WERE SAYING ABOUT YOU, HULK?"
"THESE GUYS CALLED YOU A SISSY-BOY BUDDY--"
"YOU REALLY GONNA LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THAT?"

And the Hulk responds...

NO! HULK NOT SISSY-BOY..."
"HULK STRAIGHT!!"

As he leaps at the spacecraft in question.

To see Hulk an actual part of the Team even for a short time would be nice. They called him the nuclear option in Ultimates and that pretty much works. Ok I would rather Bruce Banner not be treated the way he is in that series. In fact I would be happy with a Hulk that is almost under control. Almost anything could push him over the edge so the possibilities are endless. Loki of course is the obvious but not the only one.



4. Strong people who somehow connect.

A team is not just a group of people. It is not even just people who have trained together. There is something more that allows them to fully connect and work as one. This means that along the way each member of the Team has to find some sort of connection to all the others. Obviously showing all of this would pretty much fill up the whole movie so that would be bad.

As Joss well knows these moments can often happen in battle so I kinda suspect he will do a fair bit of that.



3. Captain America actively leading the team.

This is his classic job and I want to see him do it. Few CBMs have even tackled a group and those that have did not do very well. X-Men until X3 was all about solo combat. The Avengers should be a team from the very beginning and that means they have to be coordinated by someone. That someone is Captain America.

Being a team is more than fighting together. The whole becomes greater than the sum of the parts. The Avengers will need to learn how and Cap should already know.


2. Intense Massive Fights -- UltraAction!

To be successful any CBM has to have a nice balance of elements. You cannot just make a 2 hour fight with colorful characters and expect it to work. We have to know about the people and their motivations.

Ok obligatory nod to Reality over...

Comics are about big fights. UltraAction is what I hope they label the Avengers. Not only more than the normal movie but better, faster, more complex, more intense than anything anybody has even seen. I want Joss to take the intensity level and push it to 11. We can take it. Critics will lose their minds but we can take it and we will like it.

I want Quentin Tarantino to say "How can I top that?". Ok he has all the blood on his side but otherwise I want him worried. I want Steven Spielberg to go "Now that is what I call Epic!".


1. Let there be War!

Yes I realize this one is much like the last. I trust that makes the proper point on what I think a SuperHero Comic Book Movie should be like.

The Avengers cannot assemble for anything small. No matter how the Movie plays out I see the Team surrounded by the rubble that used to be a major city. Not because some bomb went off in a split second but because a battle was fought there. Cars thrown, buildings crumble around the warriors, lesser minions die in uncountable numbers, in short War.

It is where Captain America will finally feel the most at home. I think it is possible that Steve might want to lead a normal life when he is found. Seeing the remains of the battlefield should clear his vision and give him a purpose to replace WWII. He can still live but he must remain ready to answer the call...


Avengers Assemble!


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TheDarqueOne - 11/10/2010, 3:01 PM


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TheDarqueOne - 11/10/2010, 3:03 PM
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Paulley
Paulley - 11/11/2010, 5:30 AM
I agree with pretty much everything there..

Hulk shouldnt be either apart or against the team.. i see his position as both at one point against just because he is being hunted by the government or even controlled by Loki but for the greater good he would fight with them.

The representation of Hulk in the recent cartoon is pretty much spot on Ultimate Bruce Banner's character is far to different to have any real impact on his portrayal in this film.

As for the leader... in the field then yes Captain America will lead. But publicly it will be Tony Stark at the front doing the talking and behind the scenes its a SHIELD outfit so in the end its lead by Nick Fury and by proxy the President.

On another subject SHIELD in the MCU is a homeland security group (pretty much the CIA) so the group is really only going to protect America's interests so they'd be America's Mightiest Heroes.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/11/2010, 7:39 AM
I think its funny that you say "Do Hawkeye right", but then show his ultimate version with two handguns, lol.

just saying. :)
DukeAcureds
DukeAcureds - 11/11/2010, 9:54 AM
My top 5 Avengers hopes-
1. Triskelion.
2. Skrulls.
3. Loki.
4. Busiek/Perez homage of any kind.
5. Wasp
DukeAcureds
DukeAcureds - 11/11/2010, 9:57 AM
@Corndog
Doing Hawkeye right is to do the Ultimate version. Ultimate Hawkeye is even more of a badass than 616 clint. He is the definitive version, in my eyes.
6. Ultimate Hawkeyes family is killed by Black Widow turned traitor.
Paulley
Paulley - 11/11/2010, 10:05 AM
More like the new Avengers cartoon, storywise that show is doing everything right.

Hulk should fight the good guys then join them.

Hawkeye should have a checkered passed but trying to redeem himself as a shield agent.

Black Widow and War Machines appearances should be kept to a minimum.

Anywho i trust in Joss, and now i wish i could speed up time so i can get to these movies quicker

Generaldarkside1976
Generaldarkside1976 - 11/11/2010, 11:15 AM
First of all good article. Lots of good points. I think the hardest thing about this movie is your last point, the scale of it. In the movies prior in both Iron Mans, and the hulk we have seen the power of those characters. Obviously Thor we know from the comics and the abilites of Cap are awesome. For the villian (s) the are going to have to be very powerful to go toe to toe with these characters that are very powerful. So to me the scale is going to have to be really big.

The other big question to me about the Avengers is really how does the Captain America movie end?? How much if any of the Avengers will be about finding Captain America and bringing him into modern society? It is all going to take time to develop properly. My worry is they will short change the story like they did in Hulk (although I did really like it) for more action sequences. These characters have to be the most powerful on Earth, and really be bigger than life to be believable. I guess we shall see. - GD
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 11/11/2010, 12:13 PM
great editorial DarqueOne! i especially agree with the "Thor admires Cap" point. i wanna see Mjolnir vs the Shield. i see Cap and Thor having some down time in the mansion/helicarrier/tower so they go in the training room and begin to spar. Thor is taking it easy until he realizes this mortal can hang so he ups it a notch... and even tho it started out as a friendly spar it turns into a respectful competition and the two battle back and forth until they get interrupted by some threat or something. but thats how i see it. Thor gains respect for Cap while watching him in battle and sparring with him. i think that would be cool

great job darque!
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 11/11/2010, 3:54 PM
@Anil

Mostly I agree with you but I think the end requires a bit more. Some biggys yes but also lots of minons/troopers as well. Pretty much want it all I guess.


@Paulley

I think you are right about Fury running the show. Hopefully though it will not stay that way. People tend to forget that even the Ultimates did not remain with SHIELD forever. It was a great way to start and works for the movies too. But I do hope that it does not last forever.

I want to see Widow and War Machine. I know WM especially does not fit in the original Avengers stuff. But in the Marvel Cinematic Universe he exists and I cannot imagine the movie without him, or her.


@CorndogBurglar

I knew somebody was going to say that. Thank you for being polite about it.

Honestly except for a few minor personality tweeks I think the Ultimate version is the Character done right in the modern context. Weapons Master makes so much more sense than Bowman when you are standing up next to Thor and Iron Man.

The tweeks are what I am most concerned about which is why it got #7. So many people seem to think that a costume is the Character or even the details of the Origin. If Hawkeye is not from a Circus and does not start as a Villain he is wrong. I think the core of the Character is what matters not the details.

But having him working on a little bit of redemption would not suck either I agree.


@DukeAcureds2010

I like your List too but I think the Skrulls are unlikely. They would require a extra amount of screen time to set-up and could easily come off badly. Just seems like a bad risk in a big film like Avengers. Possible though I admit.

Skrulls for #2 or #3 I am all for.


@Generaldarkside1976

I agree until we see both Thor and Captain America we will not know all that much about Avengers. Cap could be the main focus of the Avengers or just another one of an equal set of Thor and Iron Man. That will make a big difference in how things play out.


@OdinsBeard

There is so much I would love to see in this Film. Thinking 3 movies it is hard to imagine how many 'oh my god' moments they will contain.

I always saw Buffy as a SuperHero show. No costume but in all other respects they did it right. Action, emotion, surprises and sometimes just brilliant shows. Joss is just flat out talented. He was never a musician but he learned how then he wrote a Buffy musical.

I am a musician but most musicals are just so lame I cannot stand them. But the Buffy one not only worked as a proper episode (Bad guy Buffy must defeat) but also had some really fun musical numbers. I wanted to hate it. I expected to hate it. But I just did not. I don't love it but it really is not bad at all.

Talent and Integrity.

So few people seem to understand how insanely rare that last one is in Hollywierd. Joss wanted to make Wonder Woman. He put time and effort into doing so. In the end the Studio would not let him do it his way so he passed. That would have made him a whole bunch of money no matter how the movie did. But he would do it right or not at all.

Most of the people in Hollywood would sell their mother for 1/1000th of the deal Joss rejected.

A true SuperHero Fan with Experience, Talent and Integrity. That is the man for The Avengers.

TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 11/11/2010, 5:01 PM
Pretty sure that is the longest comment I have ever posted here. Which for me is saying something I think. *grins*
cotton
cotton - 11/12/2010, 7:34 AM
I like the way you think brother, well done.
Generaldarkside1976
Generaldarkside1976 - 11/12/2010, 8:30 AM
Come on already, I have to see all these movies in 2011! -GD
TheMyth
TheMyth - 11/12/2010, 2:58 PM
I have many wants for this film, too many to possibly be fulfilled. I want Pym in it for sure and I'd really like to see Loki as the main antagonist the first go around. Ultron was always one of my favorite Avengers villains and I'd like him to be a prospect for future films, but without Pym it isn't possible and to do it without out him would just be horrid no matter what (using Ultron at any point I mean).
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 11/12/2010, 3:14 PM
Loki seem a strong possibility to me. But then Red Skull and Hydra could also play a part depending on how Cap's movie goes.

Just don't see Pym until at least the second movie. We are too far past the start mark to add him. Hard to say what will happen to the Character in the Ant-Man movie. It sounds a little weird to me. Ultron would be great for Avengers 2 but you are right about it not working without Hank & Janet.

DukeAcureds
DukeAcureds - 11/13/2010, 12:08 PM
I think The Ultimates and Ultimates 2 were definitive. Okay, so they're not 616. That doesn't matter. Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns and Year One were not Earth 2 or even Earth 1 Batman, but they were definitive. Richard Donner's Superman was not the comics version, but that was definitive. With the baggage of continuity, it is hard to streamline a character's mythology into a definitive work.
I think The Avengers movie should be a near perfect interpretation/translation of The Avengers, in any media. It should be Avengers The Movie, in every sense of the word.
And the only way I think they can be better than The Ultimates and Ultimates 2 is by combining the two together. Without the introduction of Cap (which may be dealt with in The First Avenger: Captain America) and without the Hank Pym sub-plots (which were part of the intregal brilliance of the books), it could be easily do-able. Loki and The Skrulls (or The Chitauri) at the same time. Instead of, or aswell as the hordes of monsters from Asgard, there could be a Skrull invasion also.
Not a sudden Skrull invasion, more like Secret Invasion. They could build those plot points up with the Cap and Thor flicks. Hydra and the Red Skull are already involved in the cosmic cube, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that the Skrulls could be involved in this also. And in the Thor trailer, that green "frost giant" that we see could easily be a Skrull. Notice that we do not see his chin! Also, Thor is being presented as a sort of space opera. The Skrulls could just be another race, that Loki joins forces with. Thus, when he brings his armies to Earth (as he does at the end of Ultimates 2), the Skrulls will be among them and will have been infiltrating society since WWII.
This would be just about the best movie of all time, if they did something like that and the ending would be phenomenally epic. Of course it would set them back a dime or two.
And just to wrap it up, they could dispose of the Hulk problem by sending him into outer space, setting up a Planet Hulk movie. I know a lot of people want the Hulk to be a major part of the team and I would like to see a bit of that too, in the big battles. But remember, Hulk has never really been a major Avengers member, despite being a part of the original roster.
DukeAcureds
DukeAcureds - 11/13/2010, 12:09 PM
@The Darque One
Now that's a long comment. Sorry, got carried away.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 11/13/2010, 2:31 PM
@Intruder,

Well we rarely agree on much but nice to see you are with me on Hawkeye.

@Duke

I am the King of the MegaComment. So no worries there.

If they put in the effort I could see the Skrulls as part of the Avengers movie. It is just that whenever you do Aliens it is hard to get them to come off as scary or dangerous rather than silly. Few races have the comic history that the Skrulls do and I just would want to make sure they get their due.

I agree with you on the Hulk. I don't expect him to remain part of the Team but I would like to see it at least a little. Part of his appeal is the fact that the Hulk is just too unpredictable. Imagine if Cap could mangage Hulk a couple of times but then lost control. The destruction would be epic. Not sure how they might play it out but I think Hulk's involvement is a key part of the Avengers legend.

TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 11/14/2010, 5:53 PM
Thanks BB.

Because I know Joss's work so well I honestly do expect to see most of that. There will be so many opportunities for moments in this movie and I know he will make the most of them.



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