Zack Snyder Talks BATMAN v SUPERMAN Backlash, Martha Memes, And Whether Christian Bale Was Eyed To Return

Zack Snyder Talks BATMAN v SUPERMAN Backlash, Martha Memes, And Whether Christian Bale Was Eyed To Return

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice director Zack Snyder has reflected on the 2016 movie, including the infamous Martha scene. He also talks about Man of Steel 2 and whether Christian Bale was in the mix.

By JoshWilding - Feb 27, 2026 09:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman vs. Superman

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was one of the most anticipated superhero movies ever before its release in March 2016. Unfortunately, it opened to largely negative reviews and, after a massive opening weekend, suffered a catastrophic 69% drop during week two.

The movie eventually grossed $874.3 million worldwide, but was considered a box office disappointment by Warner Bros. With that, the studio went into panic mode and made sweeping changes to Suicide Squad and Justice League, none of which really worked out for them. 

For fans, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice suffered from many issues. Those ranged from the confusing "Knightmare" sequence to the rushed introduction of characters like Aquaman and The Flash. However, one of the biggest sticking points was the Dark Knight's fight with the Man of Steel ending when Bruce Wayne learned that Superman's mother was also called Martha.

In a lengthy interview with Josh Horowitz, filmmaker Zack Snyder was asked for his thoughts on the backlash the movie received. 

Pointing out that it would be considered a $1 billion movie adjusted for inflation, Snyder explained why he believes his R-rated Director's Cut of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is ultimately the superior version.

"I think the director's cut of [Batman v Superman] is really the movie that I was trying to make. It's a better movie than the movie that was theatrically released. That's my feeling," he shared. "I still love the theatrical release, and I'm not mad at it. I just think that the real intent that Chris Terrio and I had was in the director's cut."

"My 100% honest reaction to [Batman v Superman] and how it's received in the world is that, do you really want a movie that's had all the edges shaved off it by the focus groups. Do you really want a movie [where] decisions have been made in the boardroom or tested ideas are being rendered for your enjoyment? Do you really want the Kmart version of your story? Is that what you really want?"

"I would argue that's fine to make fun of Martha," Snyder added, addressing the mockery that surrounds the scene. "It is true in canon that Batman and Superman's mothers are both named Martha. That is a fact of the comic book world. Whether or not that is a thing, you feel like Batman with the hovering spear of destiny over Superman's heart."

"Those words, seeing what he believes is a creature that he's demonised in his mind," he continued, before detailing the pushback he had from the MPA on the movie's intended PG-13 rating (long story short, they really didn't like the idea of Batman and Superman fighting on screen). 

Snyder noted, "100% there is no chance that anyone would give a f*** about Batman v Superman if we had done the straight down the road, you know, avery commercial version. A colourful, bright and shiny movie. It wouldn't be 'B v S'. It would have been 'B and S.'"

While he intended to continue the story across multiple Justice League movies, Snyder also had plans for a Man of Steel sequel, which he's now confirmed was set to revolve around Brainiac

Back to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and the filmmaker confirmed there were never plans to pit Henry Cavill's Man of Tomorrow against Christian Bale or Joseph Gordon Levitt's respective versions of Batman after The Dark Knight Rises

"Joseph is an amazing actor. I don't think it was for me to flesh that out. I think if Bale had stayed, if it had ended with Christian Bale standing on a building overlooking Gotham silhouetted by the lights of Gotham, then there's a that that's a serious conversation there if he's not in Italy, retired, drinking wine and relaxing. If he's a current crime fighter, then I think those universes could have mixed."

"We never really talked about," Snyder concluded, referring to Christopher Nolan, The Dark Knight Trilogy helmer, who was an executive producer on Man of Steel and Batman v Superman.

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Irregular
Irregular - 2/27/2026, 9:14 AM
"Do you really want a movie [where] decisions have been made in the boardroom or tested ideas are being rendered for your enjoyment?"

Yeah because BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE doesn't reek of any boardroom or tested ideas that render enjoyment. Like shoving Doomsday, a character who has been rumored for a long time to appear in a Superman movie. Or having the Justice League to appear to have these ridiculous breaking news stories for publicity. Or the idea of a Batman vs Superman movie in the early 2000's....yeah....NO WAY A BOARDROOM FULL OF MARKETING EXECS WOULD WANT THIS..............
Termin8r
Termin8r - 2/27/2026, 11:01 AM
@Irregular - Nailed it. I'm so sick of the argument that "it's dark and gritty and has edges" equates to "it's good storytelling and character development".
Wahhvacado
Wahhvacado - 2/27/2026, 9:15 AM
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HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 2/27/2026, 9:20 AM
"I would argue that's fine to make fun of Martha"
That how you take it on the chin.
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Unlike that other "guy"

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Wilks
Wilks - 2/27/2026, 9:28 AM
@HashTagSwagg - Your umpteenth time failed/fired cult leader has a literal decades's worth of raging meltdown quotes defending his franchise-killing garbage heaps. But you carry on living in neckbeard troll fantasy land as always while comparing him to a ***fictional character*** you hilariously pathetic dorkwad.
Wilks
Wilks - 2/27/2026, 9:22 AM
The "ultimate" (LOL) edition is factually the exact same godawful trainwreck with a handful of worthless added filler that means nothing.

"100% there is no chance that anyone would give a f*** about Batman v Superman if we had done the straight down the road, you know, avery commercial version. A colourful, bright and shiny movie. It wouldn't be 'B v S'. It would have been 'B and S.'"

It's legitimately f'n scary how delusional this moron is.

Enjoy never getting a major theatrical release ever again!
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 2/27/2026, 9:35 AM
@Wilks -
Wilks
Wilks - 2/27/2026, 9:40 AM
@HashTagSwagg - No one who's ever touched a human female gives a toss about that pathetic loser grifter.

Meanwhile, here's 8 straight minutes of actual inarguable facts about Zaddy's incoherent, character-ruining shitheap 😊

Patient2670
Patient2670 - 2/27/2026, 2:27 PM
@Wilks - Respectfully, and without debating your opinion of the movie- which you're entitled to- I woould pint out that the majority of those "worthless filler" scenes are about the woman coerced into testifying against Superman, by Luthor, thus strengthening why humanity fears and is suspicious of him. Granted, there were no real set pieces or action beats added, but the stuff put back in, did go a long way towards a larger, more cohesive story and corrected some, if not most, of the editing issues people had when the theatrical edition was released. That's just my opinion, but the Ultimate Editioon is definitely my preference.
Baf
Baf - 2/27/2026, 4:12 PM
@Patient2670 - Agreed. Many of the peripheral or questionable scenes are course corrected. You can really see the difference when he corrected Justice League. That became a whole different movie.
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 2/27/2026, 5:04 PM
@Baf - Justice League was litterally a whole different movie. And while I would admit it can be a bit self indulgent, I really enjoy it.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/27/2026, 9:23 AM
I always got the intention behind the Martha scene which is as Zack says to essentially give Batman a reality check about Superman not being this thing that he’s demonized but a real person aswell but the actual execution of it is so hokey that it just didn’t work for me…

Also Batman just before that “Martha” moment taunts Superman’s about his mom & dad probably thinking he meant something and that he was here for a reason so he already assumes he has parents which feels contradictory to the moment that comes after!!.

Anyway i know Zack’s take on the characters has its fans but i just couldn’t connect with them especially in regards to Superman & Batman who do think conceptually could have worked but again , execution was lacking.
Skestra
Skestra - 2/27/2026, 9:26 AM
If the K-Mart version doesn't have any.... slow... motion... camera... shots... every three minutes, YES, I would like the K-Mart version.
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 2/27/2026, 9:26 AM
Did someone say Backlash?

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bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 2/27/2026, 9:31 AM
"you feel like Batman with the hovering spear of destiny over Superman's heart."

This guy really went full into the Superman is Jesus symbolism. Real iconophile
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/27/2026, 9:33 AM
@bkmeijer1 - dude took the mythology aspect of the characters a bit too seriously lol
bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/27/2026, 9:44 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Superman was a Moses type character, this dumb [frick] got it wrong on day one
Termin8r
Termin8r - 2/27/2026, 11:03 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Yeeeaaaaahhhh........ if he wanted us to empathize with Batman in that situation...... he failed. The funny thing is, the Snyder fans have been trying to explain what that scene means for a decade, as if we don't get what it means. We get what it means. It was dumb.
Huskers
Huskers - 2/27/2026, 9:33 AM
Was he asked about the portrayal of Lex Luthor because that was awful and one of the biggest problems with this film. Was his vision really to take Mark Zuckerberg and merge him with the Riddler?!?!
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 2/27/2026, 9:33 AM
guess what came out today!!!


IronMan616
IronMan616 - 2/27/2026, 9:36 AM
So how about ole Johnathan Majors starring in a Daily Wire movie.
JackDeth
JackDeth - 2/27/2026, 9:37 AM
Snyder noted, "100% there is no chance that anyone would give a f*** about Batman v Superman if we had done the straight down the road, you know, avery commercial version. A colourful, bright and shiny movie. It wouldn't be 'B v S'. It would have been 'B and S.'"

Yeah, that would have been titled 'WORLD'S FINEST' and would have been [frick]ing amazing with the right writers.
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