Clayface Director Reveals Why The Movie Didn't Use Basil Karlo; Talks Sequel Chances And Gotham Design

Clayface Director Reveals Why The Movie Didn't Use Basil Karlo; Talks Sequel Chances And Gotham Design

Clayface director James Watkins explains why the DCU chose Matt Hagen over Basil Karlo, reveals the inspiration behind Gotham City's look, and shares why he wanted the movie to stand alone.

By JoshWilding - Oct 26, 2026 06:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Clayface
Source: Variety

Clayface introduces the DCU's take on Matt Hagen, an amalgamation of that character and Basil Karlo. In the comics, Hagen was a treasure-hunting adventurer who accidentally stumbled upon a mysterious, radioactive pool of protoplasm that granted him shapeshifting superpowers.

Karlo, meanwhile, was a disgruntled B-movie horror actor who initially disguised himself to kill his castmates. It wasn't until decades later that he gained those classic Clayface powers, and for the most part, the DCU's Matt actually has more in common with Basil than the comic book Matt.

Ultimately, a name is just a name, and the DC Universe has a long history of multiple characters holding the same mantle. In an interview with Variety, Clayface director James Watkins revealed how he came to use the Matt Hagen version of the Batman baddie. 

"It was really landed by Mike Flanagan and the script. I read all of them, Basil Karlo and all, afterward because there are bits and bobs that are kind of cherry-picked from all over the place," the filmmaker said. "But the key journey, and that’s what Mike had chosen, was the Matt Hagen version. If you’d have gone with Basil Karlo, it’s a little bit too gothic or too hard to do in such a modern idiom."

"The Matt Hagen is a more relatable version. Whether it’s Basil Karlo and Boris Karloff, there are all those characters that it’s referring back to in the Golden Age of Hollywood, that sort of thing," Watkins added. "This is something that can sit in our contemporary time. Our Gotham is not entirely contemporary. It slightly steals from a few different genres. We wanted it to be slightly timeless, but it can play as contemporary."

After a lower-than-expected opening weekend, all eyes are on how Clayface performs over Halloween and in the coming weeks. While the movie becoming an Obsession-sized hit would surely open the door to a sequel, James Gunn has stated that he wants the movie to stand by itself and those comments were echoed by Watkins.

"That’s a question for James Gunn. I liked the standalone nature of it," the director mused. "I liked how it felt like it introduced a character. But I wasn’t trying to introduce the character to go, 'OK, what next?' I was trying to introduce the character as a full meal in itself."

Clayface doesn't feature any nods to Batman or the wider DCU, so it is very much a self-contained story about Matt's monstrous transformation. Still, it was up to Watkins to introduce Gotham City, and he had a very specific take in mind:

"We deliberately wanted it to be a bit muddy. James Price, our brilliant production designer, and I talked a lot about creating the sense of the world, and we wanted it to feel like a character in the movie. We wanted this oppressive world where the buildings really dominate. We looked at a lot of 1930s German expressionist cinema with huge dominant buildings and the odd angles and the noir-ish shadows. We also looked at street photography from New York from the ’70s, the ’80s and the ’90s."

"It was all before New York had been cleaned up. The lighting is different. It’s a lot of neon. There’s a lot of practical lighting. There’s a lot of dirt and eccentricity on the street. We wanted to definitely frame Gotham as a contrast to Coast City, with the colors, the bright sunshine, the sky, the sea. You see verdant greens and textures and stuff like that, which you don’t really see in Gotham. You barely see the sky, and it’s a very heavy atmosphere."

Clayface is now playing in theaters. 

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FireGunn
FireGunn - 10/26/2026, 6:06 AM
The day the DCU reboots will be the day cbm's are saved.

Reboot the MCU and DCU
Kahron0
Kahron0 - 10/26/2026, 8:55 AM
@FireGunn - MCU is going to be semi rebooted after the Secret Wars not a total reboot. Doomsday somehow unexpectedly bombs along with X-Men Ghost Rider, Black Panther, annd every future movie MCU isn’t going anywhere.

And if the DCU ends up ending prematurely and being canceled, don’t expect another cinematic universe for the foreseeable future.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 10/26/2026, 9:14 AM
@Kahron0 - yeah idk why people like that think the DCU failing is gonna be a good thing they’re gonna shelve the idea and probably just wait almost a decade before possibly trying again
Kahron0
Kahron0 - 10/26/2026, 9:24 AM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - I think it comes down to multiple factors. You have the jaded DCEU/Snyderverse stans who want the DCU to fail out of spite so they can get the last laugh, or who genuinely believe its failure will somehow lead to Snyder and the original cast being brought back to finish the Snyderverse. Then you have people who think comic book movies and cinematic universes failing will usher in some new golden age of original filmmaking, as if Hollywood hasn’t always operated around genre trends, franchises, sequels, and adaptations. And finally, you have people who jump on whatever hate bandwagon is trending, especially now that the narrative around the DCU has become more negative. The funny thing is that none of these outcomes are guaranteed even if the DCU fails. It’s more likely that Hollywood moves on to the next trend, while these people find something else to complain about. Given how toxic comic book movie discourse already is, I don’t see the DCU failing as some inherently good thing for anyone.
UltronIO
UltronIO - 10/26/2026, 11:58 AM
@Kahron0 - Those are the only options? Really? What about how the DCU replaced the DCEU when it failed, or Spider-Man being introduced into the MCU when the Andrew Garfield series failed or Andrew Garfield series starting after Spider-Man 3's bad reception, or the Dark Knight Trilogy coming only 8 years after Batman & Robin and one year after Catwoman and that being replaced immediately with the Snyderverse and the X-Men softboot coming on the heels of their many failures and.......

Tat's how it really works. If the DCU does fail Skydance will reboot it. They're not gonna let the DC franchise lie stagnant for too long. They didn't buy all this IP just to squander it.
HumanRubiksCube
HumanRubiksCube - 10/26/2026, 6:13 AM
just watch...the sequel is gonna be a musical lol
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/26/2026, 6:18 AM
Oscar winner for Best Picture 2026
UltronIO
UltronIO - 10/26/2026, 7:06 AM
@lazlodaytona - User Comment Image

This may not be Madame Web but it's got a godawful script, pretty poor acting with one or two notable exceptions, it's cheap, empty, soulless, devoid of character arcs, story or really anything that makes a good film.

It's got titties and it's fun but lets not get carried away.
Baf
Baf - 10/26/2026, 7:46 AM
@UltronIO - What do you mean, “no character arcs?” The main character goes from nice guy to monster. A near complete character change.
hova26
hova26 - 10/26/2026, 7:48 AM
@UltronIO - Is that you Josh?
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/26/2026, 9:47 AM
@UltronIO -
Yeah, so?
Sounds about right to me!
UltronIO
UltronIO - 10/26/2026, 11:22 AM
@Baf - Nice guy? What film did you watch?
UltronIO
UltronIO - 10/26/2026, 11:25 AM
@Baf - He started the film as an entitled self-serving actor, sleeping with someone else's girlfriend. He ended the film killing the husband of a woman that he had a romantic interest in. Wow, what an arc.
UltronIO
UltronIO - 10/26/2026, 11:28 AM
That's basically the same guy he was at the beginning of the film. The only difference is, at the beginning of the film the gangsters had power and at the end he had power. He was always that monster. The change was cosmetic.
Baf
Baf - 10/26/2026, 12:08 PM
@UltronIO - Being flawed, vain, or sexually reckless doesn't automatically make someone a monster. Early in the film Hagen was depicted as someone who is nice to everyone on set, even knew everyone's name. His decency is shown through ordinary behavior and human interaction. He had a sincere and emotional reaction to his Oscar nomination, never once coming across as entitled or jaded by his growing fame. He is shown as having an active and strong friendship with his less successful buddy from his hometown. Even after his mutilation he seeks help before turning to revenge. Then the movie takes you on a journey to experience his character's downfall.
The question is not about lack of character development, it's about, basically, a decent man whose weaknesses, suffering, and desperation eventually consume him.

Even the other characters show a lot of character development
Baf
Baf - 10/26/2026, 12:09 PM
@UltronIO - What movie did you watch?
UltronIO
UltronIO - 10/26/2026, 12:35 PM
@Baf - The typical hollywood schmoozing and joy at being nominated doesn't make him a nice person. That's standard shit for an actor. He's self-involved and self-serving. Full of hubris. And he doesn't seek revenge until he has the power to take revenge. And when he does he's a complete Mary Sue.

It's very poor writing, the whole thing. And that dialogue is the worst.

I loved the tone though. And I will say it's better storytelling than all of the DCU stuff so far in that it actually tells the story. You can tell it started life as a Matt Reeves batverse project not just because of the tone and the world but because of the world-building.
The story of Clayface is the story of Clayface. If Gunn had written it he would have already had his powers at the beginning of the film and they would hae never explained it.

It's a very poor quality pulpy kinda b-movie, but if this was announced to take place exclusively in the batverse it wouldn't detract from the respectability of that universe at all. As it stands, with this officially being DCU it actually enhances that universe because it's so much better than anything else that's been done so far.
Baf
Baf - 10/26/2026, 1:30 PM
@UltronIO - You are acting like a reductionist being cynically dismissive of the lead's characterization.
In fact, the film gave Hagen plenty of opportunity to schmooze with Hollywood types. He couldn't do it and rebelled. He resented the type he was supposed to schmooze with. Matt was instead kind and friendly to the workers on the set. He seemed like a grounded character when interacting with real people.

If you think joy was the only emotion he was expressing when he won his nomination, I can only assume you were looking at your phone during that scene. There was considerably more going on beneath the surface than a simple moment of happiness.

I agree he is self-involved, self-serving, and full of hubris, but he doesn't seek revenge until he has slipped into a very dark place. Even his first act of revenge is an accident.

As for Mary Sue. It would be fair to say that we never got to see much into the evolution of his powers in regard to the face mimicking, but his other powers seemed to evolve with the story seamlessly.

My hope is that it will be folded into the Bat Verse but I'm not one that believes "Everything Has to Connect". I could leave Clayface there and never worry about seeing him again. If we get a sequel, I'll be there.
RealTurner
RealTurner - 10/26/2026, 6:54 AM
James Gunn in 2030 "No one asked for Raging Bull, so shut up and enjoy Clayface III: Son of Clayface and the spinoff about Condiment King! We'll get to Batman eventually, promise; if you zoom in on the Blu-Ray you can see an old batterang in the corner of two frames during the credits!"
UltronIO
UltronIO - 10/26/2026, 7:10 AM
@RealTurner - I'm fr gonna pause the blu-ray when that waste disposal dumpster appears to see if it still has the Battinson logo on it or if they've edited it out.
DarkeyeZ
DarkeyeZ - 10/26/2026, 7:54 AM
It was a really well done film. I hope it does well.
TheNewYorkerr
TheNewYorkerr - 10/26/2026, 7:58 AM
That shit was so bad.
ArthurFuchsache
ArthurFuchsache - 10/26/2026, 9:13 AM
It's a good film. Not perfect, but infinitely better than Morbius or Sonys other shite.
MisterBones
MisterBones - 10/26/2026, 10:59 AM
At its best, it reminded me of the first Venom. Very messy but dumb fun at times. There is some pretty good VFX and practical prosthetic work too. Performances were quite solid but wish the writing was better. Sadly, the Gotham design was nothing to write home about.
Baf
Baf - 10/26/2026, 1:37 PM
@MisterBones - Clayface was like blending elements of Liam Niessan's Darkman with the Doctor Octopus origin in Spiderman 2.
SATW42
SATW42 - 10/26/2026, 11:09 AM
so the movie seems to have had a relatively decent WW debut, but wow, almost losing the domestic box office to a 3 hour long documentary is wild
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/26/2026, 11:18 AM
@SATW42 - that documentary is performing like crazy though…

Had no idea that Nathan Fielder was that popular or people still had such interest in Elizabeth Holmes.
SATW42
SATW42 - 10/26/2026, 11:22 AM
@TheVisionary25 - I know it's performing like crazy, I just said it almost beat clayface lol
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/26/2026, 11:18 AM
I mean given that Flanagan had used the BTAS 2 part Clayface origin episode “Feat of Clay” as inspiration for the movie when he wrote the initial script , that had Matt Hagen as an actor that gets disfigured in it and he would then go onto become the DCAU version of the character hence they didn’t just decide to not go with Basil Karlo themselves since there was already precedent to use Matt in this manner by Bruce Timm & Co back in the 90’s.

Also there’s like 9 Clayfaces in the comics (and not to mention some original identities in live action & animation) so them going with the most popular take on the character which is the DCAU one as influence is fine…

Anyway , looking forward to seeing the film when i can!!.

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