What I would like to see in a Batman Reboot : Visually

What I would like to see in a Batman Reboot : Visually

In this article, I will go through the visual style the next Batman reboot should take. Click the jump to find out more !

Editorial Opinion
By Ashes2Phoenix - May 20, 2012 04:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

Now before I start the article, I would just like to say I love what Nolan has done with Batman. However, I do appreciate there are some fans who are not too fond of Nolan's incarnation and to a certain extent I can see where they are coming from. During this article I will go over what direction I think the new film should take visually.






Now, in my opinion I feel the next Batman reboot will have a difficult time trying to follow in the footsteps of Nolan's work if they try to replicate his style. Therefore I have a suggestion. Go for the style of Sin City. I personally believe this would be a good approach to take. Instead of going for gritty and real in the next interpretation, they should go with a very comic book atmosphere. I feel that going down the Sin City route visually would be a great choice to make.





I think many people fear that when the Christopher Nolan films end, Batman could potentially go back to his campy roots (Batman and Robin). This however, does not need to be the case. If it goes with the visual style of Sin City, there could be potential to make the films incredibly dark and haunting. I also think it would be very cool if the next interpretations cape is completely animated, allowing for very comic book stylised poses and looks.




I feel this style would allow for some truly creative and breathtaking moments. Gotham City could be a very dark place and it could stem more into the style of the Arkham video games. You could have characters like Killer Croc and Hush in this version and it wouldn't bend the viewer's disbelief because the world they inhabit would require them to do that anyway.


If it took the comic book style approach, it would open up opportunities to include Robin and other members of the Bat family. I personally am a fan of highly stylised movies and I feel it would suit a new Batman Universe. The reason why I preferred Batman Begins to TDK is because of it's visual style. It had those shots of Batman stood like a gargoyle on top of the buildings above, looking down upon Gotham City. This is what I feel the potential reboot needs to capitalise on. Make the cape over the top like it is in some of the comics. The great thing about Batman is that he comes from such a visually striking background. It opens up a wide variety of options when it comes to the physical representation of the character.


I think what is very important, is what The Avengers has done for CBM's. What worked so well in that film is the fact it accepts it is a comic book movie. It knows what it is and that gives it much more room to play with concepts that would not necessarily take place in our reality. If DC are looking to do a Justice League movie, this is the direction they need to take Batman in for it to work. Nolan's Batman would not fit into that world, in my opinion, so the only way for it to work is if it embraces the comic books visually in the next film.

So what do you guys think ? What direction visually do you feel the new Batman film should take ?
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Knightrider
Knightrider - 5/20/2012, 5:32 PM
I think they won't deviate too far from the Nolan way of Batman, what I believe they will do is tweak it to allow for a more fantasy aspect, so when he appears in a World with the rest of the JL (Yes I believe a JL film is a matter of when rather than if now) it seems to fit more in line.

I have said before a good adaption from the comics to do this, would be the Monster Men Graphic Novel, which opened up the World of Batman to the supernatural, without becoming campy.

However with the Avengers doing so well at the moment, we are getting the same thing happening as too what happened in 08 when TDK was released, now all CBM's have to fun, with quirky dialogue etc, it was the same when TDK came out people were "Now every CBM should be dark and gritty" I don't want them to all be one or the other, but indeed should feel unique to each character.

For the new look Batman, yeah I would say make it almost 85% Nolanverse + 15% Burtons.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 5/20/2012, 5:41 PM
I'll be honest and in my full respect, I don't think this is a good idea. Sure Sin City kept a comicbook look to it but for me that's what killed it. The panals like the comics and the actors feel less like actors and more like a moving comicbook character/more animated. I don't think this suggestion is the way to go.
gmoney0505
gmoney0505 - 5/20/2012, 5:54 PM
I would like to know what is so different about Nolan's Batman that he cannot fit into a JL film. Other than him being super agile in the cartoons and comics, he is no different.

If Hawkeye can stand in one place and shoot arrows at aliens while not being shot at all and people luv that, then they can love and accept Batman in whatever he do in a JL movie.
Ashes2Phoenix
Ashes2Phoenix - 5/20/2012, 6:01 PM
It's not a case of what he is capable of. It is a case of Nolan's tone. I don't think it would fit with a Justice League Movie. Every villain Batman has faced in these films have been human. They have never divulged into the supernatural aspect with the series, so it just wouldn't feel right in my opinion.

@GhostRiderfan1: I can appreciate your opinion and to be honest I knew people would not agree with me necessarily but if I were doing a Batman movie that is the kind of approach I would take, to set apart from the other incarnations.
Knightrider
Knightrider - 5/20/2012, 6:03 PM
@gmoney0505 I have no problem with Batman being in a JL movie in fact I would say he is needed. However I don't think Nolan's Batman would work in a JL movie, just because he has made his movies as grounded in reality as possible to suddenly introduce him into a world with Aliens, Gods and all number of fantasy elements just wouldn't work.

Taking your Hawkeye example, if you replaced him with (Nolans) Batman on that rooftop it would look so out of place.

Batman's reboot won't and shouldn't go the Sin City route, but defo needs a mix of unworldly elements so that he is a more natural fit. We expected Hawkeye's unexplained ability to hit everything because of the OTT world that had been established around him previously.
Knightrider
Knightrider - 5/20/2012, 6:05 PM
@Ashes2Phoenix I guess the most obvious way to separate it would be to introduce Robin (Assuming he isn't in TDKR).

However not as a 10year old, I agree with the age he was in Batman Forever, but just not the tone.
Ashes2Phoenix
Ashes2Phoenix - 5/20/2012, 6:07 PM
@Knightrider: Yeah I think Robin would be a good way to go. I don't know why but I feel Batman would suit the visual style of Sin City. Not exactly the same but maybe to have similarities in tone, etc.
Knightrider
Knightrider - 5/20/2012, 6:13 PM
I think it probably would suit, but at the same time, in order to bring a JL film together there also has to be a base line, if Batman was made in the Sin City style you couldn't have him then mix it up with Supe's or any other hero for that matter, well unless they left Earth.

When they are on their own planets such as Oa, Krypton etc, then perhaps could have elements like this, but when on Earth in a way has to be generic.

Take the Marvel movies (I know I might get slated for this) However the World they live in is well, quite bland, nothing really too distinctive. However on Asgard or During Cap's WW2 time period it is a little more unique, because it is that planet or time's identity if that makes sense.
Ashes2Phoenix
Ashes2Phoenix - 5/20/2012, 6:16 PM
That is true but the rest of the world does not need to encompass this visual style in my opinion. It should only be in Gotham where this visual style is particularly apparent. When he is with JL that is when it has more of a realistic style.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 5/20/2012, 6:18 PM
Also, I would appreciate it if you guys check out my Black Panther fancast. :)

@knightrider: On the whole Marvel thing, It's a matter of opinion. Yes Marvel has had it's bad movies, but the current MCU isn't by any means bland.
marvel72
marvel72 - 5/20/2012, 6:32 PM
i like your idea of batman in a sin city style reminds me of the comic "batman black & white".

i'd watch it,i still think it needs to be part of a dc cinematic universe.
Knightrider
Knightrider - 5/20/2012, 6:47 PM
@GhostRiderfan1 Sorry that may have come over the wrong way the MCU is not bland no, but the world they live in currently is.

Take Gotham, ignore the fact it is DC or Batman related just take the city itself, it has such a strong character. Same for places such as Asgard and what WW2 Captain America. However when they are all together in the Avengers movie, the city, the physical world they are in is very bland, nothing really stands out about it, (I know it is set mostly in NYC) However it could be generic city anywhere.

In a way that is why the films work such as Cap and Thor, because you take them out of their worlds and place them in ours.

So MCU is not bland no, but imagine if you took Batman 89 and put him in Superman's Metropolis or the other way round, because those cities and so attached and represent those characters it wouldn't work and it is the same for film styles to a certain degree unless you can explain them away with things such as other planets, times or realities,
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/21/2012, 2:19 AM
im not all that pumped for my 8th batman movie,so its hard to think about #s 9,10 and 11.are you sure wb shouldnt try and make a flash or ww movie 1st.batmans not getting any fresher you know.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/21/2012, 3:31 AM
@ marknjoanna

Just because they make a a new Batman series doesnt mean they cant make a flash or ww movie too. I mean, we got a green lantern movie (even though it sucked) while this Batman trilogy was going on, and they've been working on superman at the same time as tdkr. There is no reason they couldnt work on flash or ww before, or at the same time they would be making a Batman reboot.

The problem is DC/wb have absutely no confidence in any other characters aside from bats and supes.
ralfinader
ralfinader - 5/21/2012, 6:54 AM
"I think many people fear that when the Christopher Nolan films end, Batman could potentially go back to his campy roots (Batman and Robin)."

Not a chance of this. Batman was a dead franchise because of that movie. WB was trying over and over to get Batman going again, and it wasn't until they hired Nolan and Goyer that they got a Batman that they felt was far enough away from that techno-colored abortion starring Clooney and Arnold.

As far as the Sin City style of filming, I disagree. I think it suits a one-shot (now a two-shot) movie like that, but for franchise purposes with multiple pictures, and the potential for a DC-movieverse (wishful thinking on my part...) they should film in a traditional style similar to Nolan or James Bond (practical stunts and effects).

I also hope the reboot does a better job of embracing the comicbooks than Nolan has (not a complaint, just a fact). Maybe find a director that can give us a Tim Burton visuals with Nolan's grasp of charactor. I would also love to see better choreographed fight sequences. Nolan has done some interesting ones, but I have yet to see Batman, in any movie, do some moves that would make Bruce Lee go: "Damn...that was cool!".
RyanTM
RyanTM - 5/21/2012, 7:03 AM
I state many of the same opinions in my article
Tajin88
Tajin88 - 5/21/2012, 8:38 AM
They should keep the dark and gritty look and make it even darker. There is no need for another origin, but they could show a lil bit of his past in flashbacks if they want to, but not that much. The reboot should be more sinister and brutal. Batman is a dark character and as long as they keep it that way and tell a good story, then we will have another good movie.
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/21/2012, 8:52 AM
CorndogBurglar - 5/21/2012, 3:31 AM
Report Comment @ marknjoanna

Just because they make a a new Batman series doesnt mean they cant make a flash or ww movie too. I mean, we got a green lantern movie (even though it sucked) while this Batman trilogy was going on, and they've been working on superman at the same time as tdkr. There is no reason they couldnt work on flash or ww before, or at the same time they would be making a Batman reboot.

The problem is DC/wb have absutely no confidence in any other characters aside from bats and supes.



all so true its kinda hard to lay down 250 million on anybody other than batman after how that 300 mill went on gl,old money is gun shy for sure these days. (but they still love making it lol)

not counting batman, its man of steel or bust for dc,there is heaps riding on this movie and wb heads may soon roll.
gmoney0505
gmoney0505 - 5/21/2012, 11:50 AM
Knightrider
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I have no problem with Batman being in a JL movie in fact I would say he is needed. However I don't think Nolan's Batman would work in a JL movie, just because he has made his movies as grounded in reality as possible to suddenly introduce him into a world with Aliens, Gods and all number of fantasy elements just wouldn't work.

His movie is grounded in reality but his Batman is still the same Batman in the comics. I wonder what they changed to Batman when they first introduced supernatural elements in his comics cause from what i seen his first villains were Catwoman, Hugo Strange, & Joker.
Knightrider
Knightrider - 5/21/2012, 2:06 PM
@gmoney0505 Well because if Nolans Batman was suddenly surrounded by the supernatural it wouldn't make sense, because nothing like that had been established previously.

In the comics it is a lot more forgiving to add and take away elements. For Batman to work in a JL they have to have introduced that possibility in his film world, which there is no way t hey could do that with the Nolan version.

GreenHalJordan
GreenHalJordan - 5/21/2012, 6:13 PM
bring Robin in a new movie, but have him be around 16 and have his nickname his parents called him be robin. then when robin comes in to help out, batman can ask him if he goes by robin. he could say it sounds cool, but he wants something a little cooler. They always work in the night and hes batmans wingman so he comes up with the name nightwing.
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 5/22/2012, 11:42 AM
While i love the Nolan-verse i think there are some weak points that should be highlighted in a reboot. He need to be more acrobatic and physical with combat. They should highlight Batman more and really isolate him from pretty much everyone but Alfred, and spend a little less time on the villains. To be clear im not bashing Nolan i just wanna see something a little different than what we have already seen and i think the best way to do that is to focus on the things Nolan hasn't.
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 5/22/2012, 1:12 PM
Y'know i think that Daredevil would work really well in the bleak almost noir like design you have suggested.
MisterBabadook
MisterBabadook - 5/23/2012, 9:09 PM
I'd like to see batman in the same tone as what Norm BREYFOGLE created. Scary. Sinister.
MisterBabadook
MisterBabadook - 5/23/2012, 9:15 PM
And honestly, I can see a new trilogy focusing on Dark Moon Rising, Prey&Terror.
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