SUICIDE SQUAD Director David Ayer Finally Explains One Of The Movie's Most Divisive Batman Moments

SUICIDE SQUAD Director David Ayer Finally Explains One Of The Movie's Most Divisive Batman Moments

Suicide Squad director David Ayer has responded to the frequent complaints about the scene, which saw Batman violently apprehend Floyd Lawton/Deadshot in a Gotham City alleyway in front of his daughter...

By JoshWilding - Sep 14, 2025 10:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Suicide Squad

Suicide Squad director David Ayer remains adamant that his unseen cut of the movie is vastly superior to the one released in theaters almost a decade ago. It's not hard to imagine, given what a Frankenstein's monster of a blockbuster it ended up being, but will DC Studios #ReleaseTheAyerCut? Don't bank on it.

One controversial scene in the 2016 release saw Batman violently apprehend Deadshot in front of his young daughter. It seemed out of character for the Caped Crusader, and is a moment still complained about to this day. 

Addressing a fan on social media, Ayer finally shared his take on the scene (and yes, he once again alluded to a better version being in Suicide Squad's "Ayer Cut"). 

"Wish you could see the scene as shot. There’s a lot going on," the filmmaker said. "It’s rich and emotional. Perhaps by arresting her father, Batman believes he’s sparing her worse trauma. Or perhaps with his own traumatic past, Batman is doing what many hurt people do: he’s leaving wreckage behind him without being aware."

"Batman has always operated at the edge. Does he fight and arrest bad guys to protect his wounded inner child? Is he just reenacting the past from an unhealthy place? I love this kind of debate," Ayer added. 

It's an interesting justification, though one which does seem to suggest that Ayer didn't have a clear understanding of what makes Batman tick.

Before Gunn helmed 2021's The Suicide Squad, Gavin O'Connor (WarriorThe Accountant) was writing a version of "Suicide Squad 2" we've heard was set to pit Task Force X against Black Adam. 

"There was a knock on the door, and it was the new DC president," O'Connor revealed back in April. "He said, 'So where are you with the script?' I said 'It's almost done,' and he said 'Can I read it?' And I said, 'Well, you can read it when it's finished.' A couple of weeks later, I gave it to him, and he said 'Can you make it a comedy?'"

"And I said, 'That's not what I wrote, and that's not the agreement I have with the studio.' He wanted me to make it into a comedy, and I was like, all right, I guess I won't be working here," he continued. "It was really a father-daughter story with Deadshot and his daughter."

The Suicide Squad also featured a father-daughter story, though it seemed that Deadshot was swapped out for Bloodsport when Will Smith decided against returning for a follow-up. Enchantress recently received a mention in Peacemaker season 2, but it doesn't look like the stories of any Suicide Squad character will continue in the DCU.

Let us know your thoughts on Ayer's remarks in the comments section below. 

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Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 9/14/2025, 10:53 AM
"Wish you could see the scene as shot"

Please [frick] off with your shitty director's cut of this shitty movie.
Wahhvacado
Wahhvacado - 9/14/2025, 11:01 AM
@Feralwookiee - Wish he could drop it
Santanaonfire
Santanaonfire - 9/14/2025, 11:15 AM
@Wahhvacado - What, like drop it on streaming? 😆
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 9/14/2025, 12:21 PM
@Feralwookiee - why are you so aggressive about the idea of a director's cut?

Hell, I even wanna see the Schumacher Cut of Batman Forever. I love alternate takes, directors cuts and ultimate editions of films. I don't mind watching a 4 hour cut of a film. Who cares that it exists. You don't have to watch it. But to actively be passionate about it not existing seems illogical to me. Where does that passion even come from? Such a specifically odd thing to get hot about, to me. I can't even rationalize a reason for it. Please enlighten me, why do you feel so strongly about a movie you have zero interest in getting a directors cut you aren't required in any way to watch?
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 9/14/2025, 12:23 PM
@TheVandalore - "why are you so aggressive about the idea of a director's cut?"

Why is HE?
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 9/14/2025, 12:28 PM
@Feralwookiee - well, logically it's because he wasn't happy with the product as it was released due to studio interference... Which is pretty understandable and reasonable... And so he is hoping, even championing getting a chance to release a version closer to his vision that he clearly is still passionate about.

Seems kinda reasonable and logical to me.

But you avoided answering why YOU are so aggressive about hating on a director's cut.

I'm genuinely curious what trauma inspires such vitriol from you? Was the film that bad to you? Even if you thought the film was bad, he agrees with you and wants to show his his hopefully better cut. So, again... Why are you so angry and aggressive?
WalletsClosed
WalletsClosed - 9/14/2025, 1:47 PM
@Feralwookiee - Answer his question buddy
WalletsClosed
WalletsClosed - 9/14/2025, 1:48 PM
@TheVandalore - Notice how he still hasn't responded to you in an hour yet he responded with a non response near immediately after your first comment?
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 9/14/2025, 2:28 PM
@WalletsClosed - I think a lot of times people just respond emotionally without thinking things through logically. It's funny because the didn't like the film, and neither did Ayer, so logically wouldn't someone's rather support getting to see the creators actually vision? See, if he watched and then hated the directors cut, then I could understand and even respect his passion. But to have his level of negativity towards a film that was tampered with and butchered being fixed by its creator just seems like he hasn't really thought anything through and is just responding with foolishness.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/14/2025, 2:34 PM
@Feralwookiee - I know it'd be epically better
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 9/14/2025, 10:54 AM
That "fight scene" was soo shit, it was too obvious niether dudes were on set together.
mck13
mck13 - 9/14/2025, 11:47 AM
The BEST Batman fight scenes ever shot was the warehouse scene in THE BLOCKBUSTER Batman V Superman. Now that Netflix will buy DC we'll get a DC thats edgy like their animated movies & novels. Zack Snyder is at NETFLIX ALSO doing TONS OF WORK. The end of the cringy, bad costumes, bad scripts, forced comedy, sexual innuendo Gunn movies that has no cohesion. The reason he didn't have free rein at Marvel. The SMALL Gunn fans that has been allowed to ruin DC with $600 Mill as the new BILLION dollar success. LETS GO DC!!
DSAC294
DSAC294 - 9/14/2025, 12:48 PM
@mck13 - “edgy” transparently trying to appear cool or tough for the sake of being proactive and/or offensive. Usually done to disguise the fact that otherwise that person is not intellectually or otherwise provocative.
epc1122
epc1122 - 9/14/2025, 1:17 PM
@mck13 - what are you even talking about?? Netflix is in talks with possibly purchasing wb, your post makes it sound like it’s already a done deal. There’s a reason why Snyder was let go from WB. Bloated production budgets and people generally were mixed on his films.
TheVisionary27
TheVisionary27 - 9/14/2025, 2:21 PM
@mck13 - I agree with everything you said especially the Batman fight scene in the warehouse. As a huge Batman fan I consider it a work of art.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/14/2025, 2:35 PM
@mck13 - it was done well. Too body the scene is surrounded by a giant turd sandwich.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/14/2025, 2:36 PM
@lazlodaytona - *too bad
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 9/14/2025, 12:34 PM
"...Batman violently apprehend Deadshot in front of his young daughter. It seemed out of character for the Caped Crusader." -Josh "Make-Mine-Marvel" Wilding

Josh, was it anymore "out of character" than him being portrayed as a killing machine by Snyder? 🙄
TheStranger
TheStranger - 9/14/2025, 2:26 PM
@SuperiorHeckler - Better than a Batman that just allows super-villains, terrorists, murderers and traffickers to create tons of orphans, widows and childless parents by letting madmen just continually break out of prisons and asylums to do it over and over again. A Batman that doesn't kill is great on a kid's network for a kid's show or a kid's comic where you have to continually create new content every month. "Oh no kids, looks like the Riddler is back for the 83rd time!" Not so much if you're actually trying to portray a realistic take on the character.

Besides, when he was created, he killed and he was based off the Shadow who also killed. A Batman that doesn't kill is just a child's fantasy, not a real character to be identified with or taken seriously cinematically. (And no, I'm not a "Snyder Bro" I hated the direction he was taking, it sounded like a soap opera, but he still had the best take on Batman to date. Two things can be true at the same time.)
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/14/2025, 2:37 PM
@TheStranger - I'm with ya
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 9/14/2025, 3:04 PM
@TheStranger - what you call stupid and childish is literally the point of Batman’s mission . You want the red hood , azrael, etc not Batman

Yes they break out but his aim to rehabilitate them not just prosecute crime
TheStranger
TheStranger - 9/15/2025, 9:06 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - I just re-read my comment and couldn't find me calling it "Childish" or "Stupid". So I'm not sure where you're getting your information from. Certainly not from me though. In an effort to re-iterate, so that you're more clear on what I did actually say I'll expand.

A Batman that doesn't kill works great for comics and cartoons because you have to develop stories every week/month. Also we don't see the darker themes that obviously play out in the world when a supervillain gasses 300,000 people. They die... A Batman that chooses to rehabilitate criminals for 30 years and continually fails at it and chooses that over saving the deaths of 30 years worth of the citizens of his city is no hero at all. There's nothing heroic about choosing to preserve the life of murderers over the innocent. Besides, if he even failed to stop him for (let's be generous) 10 years. At some point someone would kill his rogue's gallery. It would inevitably give birth to either a Punisher type figure or heck even a guy in prison who "had a cousin die" from one of these insane psychopaths. They'd kill him. What I will say is childish, is a belief that somehow these villains would evade death for 30+ years, be it at the hands of Batman, a random vigilante who they essentially gave birth to after killing 300,000 people or a rival criminal organization who makes no bones about doing the deed.

Rehabilitation? How's that worked for Comic Book Accurate Batman thus far? Kinda worked on what? 1 person? Riddler? It was only temporary though... Snyder wrongly assumed that fans would be able to do this obvious math here and they couldn't, they couldn't handle it. "20 years in Gotham Alfred, we've seen what promises are worth. How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?" He's trying to help the audience understand, they just can't. They'd prefer the fantasy over the reality. They don't want a real Batman, they want TASM Batman. Which is fine, that was a phenomenal Batman. However, they should stop asking for live action realistic gritty dark Batman if they can't handle the implications of the world he'd have to live in.

No hero is his right mind would let that go on for 30 years and fill graveyards with his arrogance and willful negligence, instead of just dropping the dude off a roof after murder 653,425. At some point you become the problem, more than the Joker is. That was the entire thing The Dark Knight Returns addressed. He even stated it when he killed the Joker. He regretted not doing it sooner. Spat on him after he did it. Which was clearly an act of anger towards himself more than the Joker. We literally saw the conclusion of the attempted "Rehabilitation Path" in that comic and it was a path Bruce/Batman regretted. So no, I don't want Red Hood, I want Batman. I want realistic, gritty dark Batman that is faced with the real world implications of his choices and adapts to them. I want a real character that I don't have to suspend my brain for to make his choices make sense. Save 1 guy who's getting a life sentence even if he's rehabbed (The Joker) or save 300,000 innocent men, women and children, that he'll kill over the next 5 years. Hmmm decisions decisions...
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 9/15/2025, 9:20 PM
@TheStranger - 1) you called it made for kids shows / kids comics that’s literally calling it childish idk what else you could mean

2) no we all understood what Snyder was going for it just wasn’t good and not what people wanted especially at the start of a new universe, sorry most people would like to see regular Batman before seeing a broken down version that had given up hope same with Superman
TheStranger
TheStranger - 9/17/2025, 10:39 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - If what you're saying is true, then that would mean an entire hobby you engage with is childish, which would make you childish by association as well, based on your crude logic. A hobby you engage with so deeply, that you made an account and debate it online for years. That goes beyond passing curiosity. Corner, meet back.

Saying it's for kids doesn't mean it's childish. It just means it was made with kids in mind. Something can be made for kids, appeal to teens and be enjoyable to adults. (Video games anyone?) It happens all the time. Words mean things and I'm very specific and selective on which ones I use. Assumptions and logical leaps aren't necessary when you can just ask for clarification. Unless you're under the assumption that you know what I meant more than I do, which you seem to be arguing at this juncture... Good luck proving that and even if you could, congratulations you win nothing but wasted time.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 9/18/2025, 9:40 AM
@TheStranger - what a word salad to say literally nothing other than that made for kids and childish is the same thing but you don’t like that someone said you said it

Mr words mean things , the definition of childish is of, like, or appropriate to a child.

TheStranger
TheStranger - 9/18/2025, 4:15 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - Okay then, you're childish. I'm using your definition and rules. If you can't contend with the argument, then get comfortable in your corner you've wrote yourself into. haha My work here is done.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 9/19/2025, 8:33 AM
@TheStranger - what corner ? All I said was you called something childish by using another phrase and you got upset about it
TheStranger
TheStranger - 9/19/2025, 5:00 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - If you can't see the corner behind you by turning around and facing it, then there's not a book you can read or advice anyone can give that could help. /salute
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 9/14/2025, 12:34 PM
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Actually, no, who cares
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 9/14/2025, 1:13 PM
Bully Batman clearly had some shit to work through.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/14/2025, 2:38 PM
@ModHaterSLADE - or the regular Batman who witnessed his parent's murders 5 ft from him
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 9/14/2025, 3:05 PM
@lazlodaytona - Nah! Bully Batman is a better description, anybody whoever read a Batman comic would know better...
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/15/2025, 10:30 AM
@ModHaterSLADE - I don't disagree
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 9/15/2025, 12:33 PM
@lazlodaytona - Gotcha
MisterBones
MisterBones - 9/14/2025, 1:24 PM
Just let it go. It’s always wish you could see what could’ve been…
JackDeth
JackDeth - 9/14/2025, 2:06 PM
As someone who has read the entire original Ayer script, I can tell you easily. NO. WE DO NOT WANT the 'Ayer Cut' of this train wreck. This is NOT a Snyder situation. Go read the script. It's free to read online. It's SO BAD. lol
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/14/2025, 7:18 PM
@JackDeth - If it's that bad then it is a Snyder situation. I saw ZSJL.
JackDeth
JackDeth - 9/14/2025, 7:20 PM
@ObserverIO - Shhh. Careful not to piss off the 'associate producers' lol
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/14/2025, 7:43 PM
@JackDeth - User Comment Image
Highflyer
Highflyer - 9/14/2025, 2:11 PM
In Batman's defense, he didn't come out swinging. He took hold on Deadshot and asked him to come quietly, but DS was the one who pulled out a gun.
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