The Best Batman Film Ever Is...

I actually agree with this. I think Batman Begin felt the most like a comic book and felt the most like a batman movie. I think the Dark Knight is a better movie but not a better batman movie. In Batman Begins Batman was the main character where as the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises it felt like the villains and side characters took some of his spotlight.

I prefferred TDK and TDKR.

Good. Its absolutely true. Batman Begins from a technical film making point of view is a better film than TDK: Personally I would put Batman Returns over TDK. People underrate how brilliant Michell Pfiefer was. Her Catwoman was to me as good a performance as Heaths joker. Also, for a film with a character called the Joker in it TDK doesn´t make you laugh much. Why so serious? you know. Even Cillian Murphy in Batman Begins had more laugh out loud lines than Ledgers joker. I mean I love TDK, but people ignore some gaping holes in it and really awful character development because Ledger was really good. But verything else in TDFK was really badly cast. The guy who played two-face, worst casting ever, so wooden and boring. Maggie Gylenhal makes me want to shoot myself in the head everytime she´s on screen. I don´t see what was wrong with Holmes? apart from the fact she was Tom cruise´s wife. And now its a trend to hate on everything about Tom even though he´s a brilliant actor. I thought Kate was so much better for the character than Maggie.

Begins is probably the best if you're just watching from a Bat-fan perspective. But Rises is the best film. All 3 are really close for me though.

Great editorial. I agree completely. TDKR was awful and TDK was great until I re-watched it. He fell from the skyscraper and just hit a car, not slowing himself down, not throwing a batarang with a line, to slow Rachael and his descent, just hit it going near terminal velocity, into car. They would've been dead. End of movie. HUGE plot hole. So much I can't really watch it, I don't mind if you bend the laws of physics, just don't completely ignore them. That is why TDK sucks.

Anyone who criticizes TDKR for having so-called plot holes but doesn't do the same for TDK or BB just has it out for TDKR for some reason. All 3 movies use the same writing sense. For example, how did Bane know the cops would be in the sewer when he set the bombs off? This a movie convenience, and therefore TDKR is a bad movie, right? Well, BB must also be bad because when Ra's wanted Bruce to kill a guy with a sword, Bruce chose not to do that and instead blew up the entire building, killing that guy anyway plus everyone else there.

What naming plot holes actually means is that you don't know how to critique film drama, and you instead look for superficial things in the plot that may or may not be contradicting in an attempt to invalidate the film. It's a cop-out, basically.

My criticisms of TDKR have nothing to do with plot holes, because every SINGLE CBM has them. But you see, Batman isn't and should never be a quitter. I mean he's Batman for like 2 years and then he retires for 8 years...wth??

I just didn't like it that Batman was portrayed as being a frail, wimpy sort of man and a quitter. That and Bane (one of my all time favorites) turned out to just be a lapdog for some lame chick. Outside of that, great movie.

TDK and BB are damn near perfect movies, only one issue with each and it's the same but different. Both leading females were horrible.

@soto - what are you talking about? honestly don´t know. Katie Holmes and the rest of the Dawsons Creek actors got harshly judged for being in a teen drama that inspite of all it´s flaws wasn´t a bad TV show. The fact was Katie did exactly what was expected of her and I liked the character as she was and many people agree. Then because some fanboys couldn´t wrap their heads around Joey Ptter being in Batman and it was judge the in thing to hate on her when she´s talented actually talented at what she does, they let her go and replaced her with a woman who was acting more like she was Cat Woman than the actual character she was meant to be portraying. It was bad casting.

Then Two Face, if he people won´t admit that that is one of the worst ever portrayals of a fan fave supervillain ever, then I really have lost touch with this generation. It was just so bland and fake. I watch it and everytime the guy is on screen, I find him unbelievable as Harvey Dent and or Two Face. Evene worse his entire act of super villainy (not the actors fault but still) is shooting a few people and kidnapping the commisionars wife and kid. If they couldn´t handle having two villains they should have just left tham out. They did the same to Scarecrow in Batman Begins, which was worse because Cilllian Murphy stole the show in my opinion in that movie. He was absolutely outstanding. He deserved a showdown with Batman. Possibly even more than Ras. He could have been driving the train even at the end, just something to give him that send off he deserved, instead they just made him a joke in the following two movies.

As for the OP, I think The DK is entertaining and edges Batman begins just a bit because of the electric performance by Heath, but from a film perspective to me Batman Begins is the originator and revolutionizer of the comicbookmovie genre. what if find funny is that people say it was least comicy film and more realistic, but Batman Begins is the closest I´ve seen on screen of a Graphic Novel come to life. Apart from Sin City.

best batman film

1st batman begins
2nd the dark knight
3rd batman
4th batman returns
5th the dark knight rises
6th batman forever
7th batman & robin

@JJ63 The frail and "wimpy" Bruce/Batman is one of my favorite things in that movie. Makes it 100 times more satisfying when he comes back and wins.

@TheYoungMan is speaking some true shit (apart from frail and weak Bruce)
However, The Dark Knight Rises is not a film about Batman, which is why I would never put it as the best. It's a very well made film that gets way more crap than it deserves, but Batman Begins is a triumph. I agree with your #1.

But on the topic of Mask of the Phantasm:
I don't understand the acclaim this film gets. It's dull. It really is.
I don't love The Dark Knight merely for the Joker (although that's a big reason) but I love it for its sophistication, brilliant foreshadowing, stunning cinematography and its chaotic nature as a crime film.

Don't get me wrong, Batman Begins was great, but it wasn't the best. That award goes to both The Dark Knight and 1989's Batman. The Dark Knight was just so perfectly executed by everyone (especially Heath Ledger). The tone was much darker than Begins and showed us a new side of Batman that nobody expected to see. Tim Burton's Batman was lighter, but still serious. It was fun, but not a kids movie.
Batman Begins was just a bit too slow. There was too much Bruce Wayne and not enough Batman. The message Christopher Nolan was trying to put across was that Bruce Wayne is Batman but Batman is not Bruce Wayne. So why spend so much time focusing on the man rather than what he stands for? Still a fantastic movie though.

TDKR is my favourite out of the three. I have a bit of a bias as it combines my two favourite Batman story lines, Knightfall and No Mans Land.